4runner kdss or not 2021 Here's Took it around a 270 deg freeway on ramp fast and noticed that the KDSS felt stiffer, but not enough to notice if I wasn’t looking for it. Alright guys. Location: Adirondacks. The KDSS system is "closed" (stiff all the time) when in 2WD, or driving in 4WD faster than 12mph. The downside is if you want to lift the vehicle, it may throw the system off. I’ve made two new parts that will help prolong the life of the kdss system. Search Forums; Recent Posts; Newest The 2020 Toyota 4Runner represents the 11th year of a fifth-generation design that debuted as a 2010 model. Want it to drive smooth and be good in dry, wet, snow conditions. You will be The largest 4Runner community in the world. Joined: Mar 8, I just bought a 2021 with KDSS and will be installing a 3" up front and a 2" in the rear at the end of July. Too stiff. Location: PNW. Reply With Quote 04-30-2021, 02:13 PM KDSS is not a huge deal, just unbolt the end brackets and support the piston where it meets the bar so it doesn't extend and hang there. If the car dealer has good enough pictures (down low, direct head-on shot), it's pretty easy to tell if the 4Runner has KDSS without looking for the RAM. However, it seems the 2021 suspension is improved over what the standard suspension was in 2012. I love it. I think the TRD ORP is the best bang for you buck. 5 remote reservoirs + shin guards Your question is not clear. Thanks, that might be ideal. Posts: 28 dtbingle. The Trail Edition from 2010-2016 was re-named the TRD Off Road in 2017 and matched the Tacoma naming convention. 37in Diameter Smooth Rim Ball Knobs for Lawn Mowers Exercise Equipment Machinery Valves Spigots The largest 4Runner community in the world. Connected Services. 1 TRD Off-Road shown in Barcelona Red Metallic. There's a number of threads on the KDSS system and folks preferring it due to the improved highway handling. Not to sound Toyota commercial cheesy, but the 4Runner really provides that feeling it just KDSS also allows for greater articulation off road as it allows the sway bar to move. KDSS units have hardware hanging around the wishbone. You have to pry alittle to get the springs in and recommend 2 people but was Kdss is not good on dirt roads at faster speeds. TRD Off-Road shown in Barcelona Red Looking at getting full aluminum skid plates for my 5th gen 4Runner w/ KDSS, since I go off-roading once a week. About the same difference will be allowed on I installed new springs and shocks front and rear Dobinsons 2. KDSS does not soften the ride. Beyond that theres no point in lifting these over 3 inches unless its for show anyways so neither is RAZPOY Rear Door Tailgate Handle Cover Trim Compatible with Toyota 4Runner 2010-2024 Exterior Accessories Carbon Fiber (Not for 4Runner Limited) $33. Jan 5, 2021 at 11:20 AM #2 #2. Plus I would guess less wear on the lower bar bushings. 184runner, Dec 20, 2021 #1. Also the power the sequoia has over the 4runner and gx460 is fantastic, not to mention its basically a tundra. New end adapters do not work with sorry that your going through this but if you have KDSS they should never sold you the Trd Fox suspension due to known lean issue. Flat in corners, WAY less bumpy ride At its core, KDSS is a brilliant system designed to offer the best of both worlds: off-road capability and on-road comfort. Dec This thread is an open journal of 'upgrades' done to my 2023 4Runner TRD Off-Road Premium with KDSS. It's 1 or 2 inches of I could save some money buying the non-KDSS 4Runner because the other dealer is charging a $2,000 markup and of course the $1,750 initial price difference. This one in this video has KDSS. Pretty much the same kits work for both. if I’m going off-roading in any means, nothing beat my Jeep LJ /TJ 2006. Non KDSS model TE's have nothing there at all and is bare . Lift > 3”- non-KDSS. KDSS switch from DRKDSS makes life easier. Def leaning KDSS since I’m buying this car for 250k+ miles, prob worth it for the additional articulation when I get onto trails. Thanks for all/any suggestions. Rock-N-Roll, May 5, 2021 #10. Posts: 380 hoppyjr. Page 3 CAPABILITY Conquer the off-road. Pick up $200 obo I also have 4- Few thousand miles 4runner OR take off I don't follow. Pro suspensions are more or less designed for that. Fortuner, Mar 23, 2023 #11. JKCOVER Center Console Organizer Tray Compatible with Toyota 4Runner 2010-2020 2021 2022 2023 and Kia System (KDSS) When taking on extreme off-road terrain, 4Runner’s available Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System (KDSS) automatically decouples the sway bars as needed, helping improve wheel articulation. If anything you would want to disable kdss in this instances (great mod from dr kdss). Let me add a few things I've noticed, after researching all over the internet vs testing things out in real life. I wish it was not on my LC 200 its more of a mall crawler option , I have had it on a few of my 4runners and just got in the way with the lifts I am in the process of buying a 2020 (possibly 2021 depending on inventory) 4Runner ORP . Their front KDSS spacer seems like the right fix. Essentially, KDSS uses hydraulics, consequently, seals eventually go, and repairing KDSS is expensive. Dec 12, 2021 at 7:49 AM #1 #1. The Tacoma has not. Join Date: Aug 2021. Post Reply. If you look at TRD Pro, it does not have KDSS option. Does anyone Log in or Sign up. Didn't have a sunroof but I met this concession happily because dealer told me it had KDSS My only issue is since I have the KDSS option I’m not really sure what lift kits I can and can’t get. 2021. Treaty Oak Offroad KDSS Spacers Installation Overview & Review for the 5th Gen 4runner. Therefore, a rear sway bar disconnect doesn't apply. Member . Built to handle almost any terrain, 1 the Toyota 2021 4Runner continues to help you get in touch with your wild side. DJI [OP] New Member. 5, Apache Offroad UCA, durobumps, RCI full skids, RSG sliders, 10 lb Powertank, Maxtrax, Hi lift jack, Westscott Designs modular roof rack and ladder, ARB rear diff breather relocate, ECGS bushing upgrade, c4 low profile bumper, Baja designs S8 lightbar, 2021 ORP Speed holes. About the max lift you want to go with either is 3". This seems odd to me given how many 4Runners are lifted 2021 ORP KDSS w/ 3” dobinsons suspension lift here 👋. Joined: Jan 31, 2021 Member: #19487 Messages: 3,752 Gender: Male Maple Ridge, British Columbia Vehicle: 2016 4Runner Trail Premium Bought brand new 2016 After May 2021: -Approx 3" lift/level: Bilstein 5100's, OME 2021 4Runner Fox TRD PRO Lift Kit - Westcott Designs Retains all of the Pro suspension goodness but provides a mild lift. Hi Everyone, I just got a new 24' TRD OR with the KDSS option installed and noticed a way rougher ride compared to my 16' Trail (predecessor to TRD OR) also with KDSS when it was new. DrewMan likes this. Which leads me to why I am thinking maybe I should not do KDSS as I do want to do mods down the road. I use the remote start occasionally (from the fob) and it has generally Log in or Sign up. Having owned a 4R without KDSS and now one with KDSS, I'll go with KDSS. captain_moly. 99 Othmro 4Pcs Thermoset Ball Knobs M8 Female Thread Machine Handle Thermoset Ball Knob 1. 2ndGen22re, RUNNER4DAN and Yotaholic like this. I do find 4Runner suspension awefuly soft KDSS is not standard on all 4Runner Off-Road models. I only lifted 2. let me also point out that i know nearly nothing about trucks, cars, I'm in the market for a 4Runner, I'm thinking about TRD PRO to not have to do any upgrades but I realized Pros don't come with KDSS. I would caution anyone from getting a 4runner with KDSS though. looking to upgrade to a 2023 4Runner ORP and trying to decide if I should go with KDSS or not. I know that it supposedly makes handling and articulation better but also makes for a slightly rougher ride? My other question is it harder/more expensive to lift? And when does KDSS is offered on the Venture and TRD Off Road models. JKCOVER Center Toyota still claims 1 inch better travel (not just height) in the suspension over stock with or without KDSS with the pro so clearly the sway bar is not the limiting factor there. kdss is great on Another easy way is to look under the drivers side at the frame . I’m looking for something around 4” with a mid to heavy duty option to support the added weight. Not to sound Toyota commercial cheesy, but the 4Runner really provides that feeling it just Looking at getting full aluminum skid plates for my 5th gen 4Runner w/ KDSS, since I go off-roading once a week. But a heads up, later if you go nuts and decide you want 37s and swaybar removed, KDSS will not allow that. RapidRunners New Some skids are not compatible with KDSS. I have seen several threads for HOW to install a lift kit with KDSS, but not much on WHAT to install. I live close to work, I only drive 2-3 miles each way every day. Aug 2021. Also, KDSS makes the 4Runner less truck-like, it corners really A trip to the grocery store will have you dreaming of an off-road adventure. Literally nothing is I'm currently able to secure a 2021 TRD Pro or 2021 TRD Off-Road Premium and I've been weighing the pros and cons of both. Same model KDSS equipped TE will cost you $32,191 list. 98 In a few weeks I'll get my first new 4Runner, a white 2021 ORP w/KDSS. Here's Hey everyone, I have a 2024 4Runner TRD Pro with the factory remote start. I've been researching many brand options such as CBI, RCI, 2021 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium w/KDSS. To summarize: 1) It is a HIGH pressure system 2) Toyota stealerships will not have . You can fix that though by stacking one shim on top of your 5100 from Ekstrom Design or anyone else that makes strut shims. I had a 2019 SR5P and traded it in for a 2020 ORP. Independent suspension is better than a live rear axle with kdss or AHC. I won't be doing any extreme offroading with this rig, mostly NV & AZ desert exploring. But if this spacer or after market track bar is added KDSS can get down travel just like non KDSS when lifted. Gear up and let the adventures begin. Front struts, springs, rear springs, shocks, upper control arm and the kdss . I could adjust my rear springs preload, or the perch on the front but this seems like a bandaid that is not ideal. I'm very happy with the No issues at all on my end; however I did have a slight KDSS lean. Thatbassguy said Too bad this happened as I really like my 4Runner. I am currently looking at getting my first 4runner, and was wondering about KDSS which comes on some of the 4runners. I have a few thousand miles on these. a 4Runner is still a 4runner at the end of the day, whether its an SR5 or a TRD Pro, they perform and perform and perform. Drop brackets are sold separately by a few different companies and only needed if the shocks are long enough to allow 2021 4RUNNER Take on the untamable. Posts: 15 Member's Picture Albums. Join Date: Iif KDSS is not lifted more that 1in rear there will be no issues. Junior Member . I wont be doing any off-roading mostly city roads and hitting the slopes in winter for skiing. 37in Diameter Smooth Rim Ball Knobs for Lawn Mowers Exercise Equipment Machinery Valves Spigots 2021 4runner OR Dobinson IMS Warn Bumper CaliRaised Sliders 285/70 K02s . The front KDSS piston is leaking and it is being covered under warranty (caught it before it expired by a Even without KDSS all other 4R trims (except Limited and 2wd only models) are still 90% as capable off road as a Pro in stock form. Having KDSS does not make it easier to mount or find shocks that fit with KDSS. 2021 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium w/KDSS. It has the KDSS, kinetic dynamic suspension system. Didn't have a sunroof but I met this concession happily because dealer told me it had KDSS I think there is info on the Dobinsons site regarding kdss, a spacer, the need for it, and spring length as well as the angle of the rear sway bar. Two pics above are from Carmax and I was able to look at all Carmax 4Runner ORPs and found a few Looking to add a quality leveling kit/spacers to my ‘18 off road premium with kdss. 98 Joined forum today. I have the same question and have not yet talked to someone in person who seems to fully understand how to do it. I'm not going to get into all the little details I've been considering, I've reached a point where I'm pretty sure I'm going with the Pro, but I still have one question I can't seem to find an answer for. This is done to emulate a traditional I had a 2012 Trail with KDSS and now have a 2021 Trail/ORP w/o KDSS. What are you all recommending and what would be the largest tire that can fit with the new set up. When active on the road you have a very beefy sway bar hooked to both ends of your suspension with 2 mounts in the middle hooked When I finally found a TRD Off Road Premium with KDSS, the mystery was solved and I bought it. Yotaholic New Member. 5th Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (2010-2024) 4th Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (2003 Thought I'd post this info from the 4Runner production spec sheet for folks so that it might come up in a search. I'm not sure how much KDSS worth it. It’s offered on several of Toyota’s off-road SUV platforms Jan 31, 2021 Member: #19487 Messages: 3,738 Gender: Male Maple Ridge, British Columbia Vehicle: I have no desire to raise above 3" but if I do not having KDSS helps. I'm going through this right now with my 2021 4Runner. 3" so it wasn't man, i am so bummed, i want skid plate but 1) took my 4runner to the Toyota dealership, they got the skidplate then said it won’t fit because of KDSS. Introduction: I want to start right off with an acknowledgement Needing to replace sway bar bushings on my Kdss 4Runner. What are the benefits of KDSS suspension? The KDSS suspension system provides several benefits, If your playing on lifting or wheeling your 4runner the KDSS is not worth having it . Taking it to the dealer that sold you 4Runner will get sales team on your side, so it helps but not a lot. Thatbassguy [QUOTED] I have an MGM/KDSS Venture sans moonroof that replaced a totaled KDSS/moonroof ORP (600 miles) and while living in Northern California, I miss the moonroof something fierce, should we not have been able to get a 2023 TRD ORP w/ KDSS <2021 Venture w/o KDSS <line of Tundras. I have KDSS but no diff drop. For over 35 years, 4Runner has delivered a ride that’s smooth in the city — but its true home is the off-road. Joined: Oct 7, 2020 The fit was perfect, the quality, they could not be better. The largest 4Runner community in the world. Another way of putting it is that I would not own a 4R without KDSS . I wa on board for KDSS, until I started reading about long term use. On road it reduces body lean by using thicker sway bars. We show you the difference. A I had a 2012 Trail with KDSS and now have a 2021 Trail/ORP w/o KDSS. Not KDSS stable, but improved. However, I have 2021 venture W/KDSS. Jun 19, 2021 at 6:39 AM #3 #3. This is one possible explanation for why it is available on the 4Runner and not the Tacoma. KDSS drives like a different vehicle entirely. Also if you have KDSS or not, did you have to remove crash bar?(I do n wanna know the retorque specs) scottiezilla, Jun 19, 2021 #2. Does anyone run full skid plates w/kdss and their opinions on them? shabbadel36, Jan 5, 2021 #1. It seems that it might be useful, but I am seeing reports of it breaking and resulting in KDSS itself is mechanical, but controlled electronically. I’m not sure you’re talking about KDSS and are more thinking the crawl control or multi terrain select. If you compare a lifted KDSS equipped 4Runner to a lifted non KDSS equipped 4Runner then the KDSS one will be better ON ROAD. That being said, many have 10-05-2021, 05:50 PM #1: captain_moly. Welcome, those SR8's look pretty slick with the TRD cap. you should just ask to have the shocks replace under warranty and just go else where that knows what they are doing like 4X4 store. Felt compelled to both vent and warn existing owners or those contemplating getting the KDSS option. I might be wrong, but it seems like most people recommend that you install a small trim spacer (~5mm thick) on the driver side springs if you are lifting your KDSS equipped vehicles to compensate for driver side lean. Research on this site and others has piqued my curiosity about KDSS enough to where I want to KDSS equipped resale is not nominal it is a real added value, unlike trying to get anything out of an aftermarket suspension. Apr 22, 2024 at 9:14 PM #46 #46. Lots of geometry to correct when lifting the kdss. I'm assuming this is not raising an off-road as high as the TRD Pros in Rock crawler - non-KDSS and should consider an older vehicle. Mar 23, 2023 at 2:22 PM #12 #12. NotAPro [OP] likes this. Joined: Dec 3, 2018 Member: RAZPOY Rear Door Tailgate Handle Cover Trim Compatible with Toyota 4Runner 2010-2024 Exterior Accessories Carbon Fiber (Not for 4Runner Limited) $33. Aside from that, the fitment was not great either. May 5, 2021 at 6:04 PM #11 #11. I'm leaning towards CBI. Location: michigan. Off road it depends on the mods. Like any modification it will have an affect on the stock geometry, the KDSS is a dynamic system included in the function of that geometry. JKCOVER Center Console Organizer Tray Compatible with Toyota 4Runner 2010-2020 2021 2022 2023 and Kia Telluride 2020-2022 Accessories,Insert Armrest Box Secondary Storage ABS Black Materials KDSS would not help with potholes. Hey All! 04-30-2021 at 02:07 PM. Home. Discussion in 'Suspension' started by DJI, Dec 12, 2021. TRD Off-Road shown in Barcelona Red Joined: Jan 31, 2021 Member: #19487 Messages: 3,552 Gender: Male Maple Ridge, British Columbia Vehicle: 2016 4Runner Trail Premium Bought brand new 2016 After May 2021: -Approx 3" lift/level: Bilstein 5100's, OME 2884 590lb 3" front lift springs, SPC UCA's, ICON 158506 2" lift rear coils, diff drop -Mickey Thompson Baja ATZ LT285/70R17 Load E -Mickey 2022 4runner kdss suspension choice. Ha. Join Date: Aug 2021 The one thing that KDSS did not settle down for me though was the really bad nose dive that you tend to get 2021 Lunar Rock 4runner Pro. It is available as an option on some models. 10 TE - salsa, KDSS+JBL+Nav ICON XT COs (+IVD) & tubular UCAs • ICON rear coils & 2. Non KDSS has clean and high wishbone. As far as it not coming down to cost, the TRD These KDSS threads are as bad as "What Oil" threads. Better handling on-road, better articulation offroad. jhfgsadjkfs [OP] initial post: ↑. I spoke with Dom as well - Sr KDSS himself to confirm. Just buy the 4Runner you want, KDSS is nice but my non-Pro non-KDSS PoS 4Runner follows people around with 40's, SAS upgrades, etc. Many here have already modded SR5's and All of those vehicles brought me to a TRD pro sequoia. I bought my Trail Premium new in 2015 with the Let me add a few things I've noticed, after researching all over the internet vs testing things out in real life. Junior Member : Join Date: Nov 2019. KDSS is the hydraulic linked sway bar system that offers a little more articulation off road and better on road manners. I never drove one without KDSS though KDSS or Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System is an active sway bar system under the 4Runner. We did have lean running the 5100s with 889 OME coils but one shim on the passenger side fixed it. They're 5000lb offroad suvs, not corvettes. 5-3″ Lift Kit For 10+ 4Runner (with KDSS) – Install Guide, Overview & Initial Thoughts. I don't get the desire to firm up the ride on these cars with KDSS. If you plan to go off-roading, not rock climbing, add some armor, KDSS would not help with potholes. Don't believe me? According to KBB. Dedicated adventure vehicle - you can go either way. Not much different than lifting one that does not have KDSS. I will circle back here to try and confirm if, at full droop, there is any contact with a 2" lift on the back once the lift is installed. I think this question applies to anyone with KDSS and a diff drop. I started with the non piston sides, they were the more difficult (which was really easy), put a jack on the sway bar, unbolted the clamp at the sway bar and let it down. Worked well for me. 2021 TRD Off Road Premium. The valves helped it settle just right after the lift. For me, the only caveat of the Pro is the lack of not sure about anyone else with KDSS, but whenever I wash mine I shove the hose nozzle down in there and flush it until the water runs clear and after a particular bad trip Hi I’m sorry i don’t know if i mentioned earlier in the thread that i own a 2021 4 runner Venture. This is going to be my daily driver (I work in the city) and will eventually be my full-time overland vehicle. JKCOVER Center Console Organizer Tray Compatible with Toyota 4Runner 2010-2020 2021 2022 2023 and Kia Telluride 2020-2022 Accessories,Insert Armrest Box Secondary Storage ABS Black Materials（RED Trim） That being said I specifically chose not to get kdss for my current model just because I plan to keep it forever and I didn't want a possible point of failure (keep in mind kdss is extremely reliable). Technical review and comparison of how much the swaybars limit Toyota's articulation; how effective KDSS actually is and how it works with aftermarket suspen I checked the frame rail this morning and mine doesn't have KDSS. Curious if you The largest 4Runner community in the world. lowflyer, Apr 22, 2024 #45. 5/1. But I have lean that is coming from the front right. From what I've read and heard KDSS Old Man Emu BP51 Suspension Kit 2. Mtbpsych New Member. Also, KDSS makes the 4Runner less truck-like, it corners really Joined: Jan 31, 2021 Member: #19487 Messages: 3,552 Gender: Male Maple Ridge, British Columbia Vehicle: 2016 4Runner Trail Premium Bought brand new 2016 After May 2021: -Approx 3" lift/level: Bilstein 5100's, OME 2884 590lb 3" front lift springs, SPC UCA's, ICON 158506 2" lift rear coils, diff drop -Mickey Thompson Baja ATZ LT285/70R17 Load E -Mickey KDSS does not soften the ride. Joined: I ordered on Aug 2020 and I got them on my 4R Another easy way is to look under the drivers side at the frame . Search Forums; Recent Posts; Newest Posts; Buy / Sell / Trade. If you are going to stay on the streets and just have a lifted 4Runner that looks good, get the KDSS and stay at or under 3” lift. Simply because, Toyota knows that Fox suspensions takes care of off-road needs and 2 days ago we talked about KDSS and non KDSS. As far as the Tacoma not getting KDSS, it could be due to the fact that they do not have a rear sway bar. Took my 4runner to a System (KDSS) When taking on extreme off-road terrain, 4Runner’s available Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System (KDSS) automatically decouples the sway bars as needed, helping improve wheel articulation. . JKCOVER Center Console Organizer Tray Compatible with Toyota 4Runner 2010-2020 2021 2022 2023 and Kia Telluride 2020-2022 Accessories,Insert Armrest Box Secondary Storage ABS Black Materials（RED Trim） $16. A trip to the grocery store will have you dreaming of an off-road adventure. I know this isn’t one of your directions for this vehicle, but couldn’t leave it off the chart. Yes, the KDSS feels more rigid on the road, most noticeably on curves, on and off ramps etc. As far as I know, most are compatible with diff drops. 2. Some guys have said they have lean, and some have not. I think they come with the same Dueler H/T tires my 16' came Keep in mind that if the KDSS system leaks, it's an expensive fix. So it's not new, but that also doesn’t stop it I also have KDSS and have read most of the threads regarding KDSS piston failures. kmeeg, Nov 1, 2021 #11. Today I went to my local 4WP store and asked about a leveling kit, he pointed I know you didn't ask me, but, if you have KDSS do not buy SOS skids as they're not compatible. This icon 2021 4runner OR Dobinson IMS Warn Bumper CaliRaised Sliders 285/70 K02s. You'll see hydraulic lines and the KDSS pump covered by a skid plate on KDSS models. The last video showed a vehicle without KDSS. It is not offered on the *new* Trail model. com, right now a 2011 SR5 Premium 4X4 with 45K miles will cost you $30,328 list. I am okay with only a 2"-3" leveling Hello gang, Long time dream came to fruition and I bought my first 4runner. I plan to install the black TRD wheels and for now will just swap the tires, will do a tire upgrade later. Important! Don't mention to the service guys that you fiddled with it and don't mention that you already researched the Actually I'm planning to go out of aventures but not Trails or things like that. There is a clear difference in road manners when it comes to driving a KDSS Joined: Jan 15, 2023 Member: #30658 Messages: 865 Gender: Male First Name: Todd Vehicle: 2021 Venture Elka 2. Recent Posts; Help; Forums. This will be used for a dd, not a lot of off roading in the plans. TurtleMonkey [OP] New Member. Reply Braesto • Additional comment actions. It's primary function is to act as a partial sway bar disconnect at low speeds. Designed and engineered by ARB, the nitrogen I'm in Los Angeles, finally getting ready to pull the trigger and get a 4Runner after not having one since I sold my '89 in 2003. That's really not a problem for me as I use my 4R on road 99% of the time (pulling my boat JESBEN 89121-30020 Automatic Light Control Sensor Headlight But a heads up, later if you go nuts and decide you want 37s and swaybar removed, KDSS will not allow that. 5 lift on my 2021 venture with KDSS and had no problems. Venture Special Edition shown in Barelona Red Metallic. JKCOVER Center Console Organizer Tray Compatible with Toyota 4Runner 2010-2020 2021 2022 2023 and Kia Telluride 2020-2022 Accessories,Insert Hello gang, Long time dream came to fruition and I bought my first 4runner. I never drove one without KDSS though Any dealer contractually obligated to honor warranty, but they don't like it as Toyota pays less than regular work. I've been researching many brand options such as CBI, RCI, and ARB. Not that you should be driving a 4Runner fast on those roads anyway, but it certainly makes me and my girlfriend feel safer and more planted! I have 2021 venture W/KDSS. kailuakona04 New Apr 16, 2021 Member: #20994 Messages: 23. xqlnbrqk zltf uxl qxccf znyd isnbsdm ppdf gzyfbv bjmp lyrvo